Best Insurance Podcasts (and Vlogs)

Because of the time I spend in my car, I feel like I’m wasting an opportunity, if I don’t make it productive. Learning and riding was instilled early in my life. I still remember riding with my dad while he listened to Zig Ziglar.

Zig talked frequently about Automobile University, and stressed that drive time could be a time of growth and education.


Evidentally that concept went deep inside me, and we live in a Golden Age of Automobile University because of the tremendous growth and quality of podcasting.
If you are in the insurance industry, whether it be carrier or agent, there is a lot of good information specific to insurance being produced today.  Yes, there are great sales, marketing, and inspirational podcasts online, but sometimes it’s nice to hear something specific to your day to day business.

Top Insurance Podcasts

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Agent’s Influence – iTunesStitcher  Jason Cass is an agency owner in small-town Illinois, but has become successful through niche marketing and digital media.  The library of podcasts has excellent episodes on digital marketing and customer experience, but Jason is at his best when interviewing interesting guests
Agent Leader Podcast – Brent Kelly (formerly Winning Strategies from Roger Sitkins) iTunesStitcher  Brent is a former successful commercial producer, that recently joined the insurance consulting firm, The Sitkins Group.  Each episode is quick and practical.  If you are actively selling, then you will find a lot of value in each listen.
Agency Nation RadioiTunesStitcher  Agency Nation is produced inside of IIABA’s Trusted Choice program.  Both Ryan Hanley and Joey Giangola discuss all things marketing, especially as it relates to digital media.  There’s really no better place to learn about the power of video marketing for insurance agents.  Every episode is motivating and provides a kick in the pants to take action.
Connected Insurance Podcast – iTunes This is run by the consulting group, Agency Revolution.  It is primarily an interview-based podcast.  Each interview features marketing experts and innovators inside the insurance industry.  It will put you in touch with folks who are making things happen but may not have been on your radar.
Digital Advisor – iTunesStitcher  Digital Advisor is a fairly new podcast, and was created by Advisor Evolved. This is a business that provides digital solutions for an insurance agency. You would think it would be nothing more than a commercial for its service, but there is excellent actionable content here that can help agencies craft marketing strategies in the online space.
Insurance Innovators Unscripted Podcast – iTunesStitcher This is an industry podcast run by Abel Travis.  Abel is a commercial product manager for a large commercial carrier.  He has done an excellent job snagging insurance thought leaders for interviews.  Many of the topics include innovation in the industry especially in regards to Insurtech.
Insurance Journal TV – iTunesStitcher This podcast is a mashup of industry news and marketing advice.  Insurance Journal has been a long-time source of industry news, and it’s nice to see it move some of that information into an audio form. Peter van Aartrijk, the insurance brand expert, runs the marketing episodes.
Profiles in Risk  – iTunesStitcher The folks over at InsNerds created this podcast.  Many of the shows are focused on career development and opportunity within the insurance world.  It is carrier focused, but the topics bring insight into the industry as a whole, and how agents need to position themselves as our business continues to evolve.
There are more insurance related podcasts, but some are inactive or not regularly updated.  If you search around you might find those.  There is some good evergreen content with many of those, but the following are consistently putting out excellent content.

Top Insurance Vlogs

Ok, these aren’t technically podcasts, but they function the same way.  Just like a podcast app, you can subscribe to video channels through Youtube.  This is newer territory for the insurance industry, but here are examples of two great insurance channels.
Agency Nation   – This is put together by the same gang that runs the Agency Nation podcast.  The production value is amazing, and each episode is full of tidbits of marketing information and motivation.
Woody Brown – Insurance Agent.  I am sure there are other agents out there doing great video attracting customers in their local markets and niches, but Woody stands out.  He’s an agency partner at the Rhoads Group in the Atlanta area.  This year he’s taken the challenge of doing a video a day.  You couldn’t do better if you want to learn how to do video.
I am sure I didn’t cover all the podcasts and vlogs out there.  Let me know what I missed, and what you listen to.
Be Productive,

P.S. Podcast pro-tip:  listen at 2x!

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How You’ve Lost Your Attention Span and How to Get it Back

I lost my attention span.  I bet yours is gone too, and it’s hurting your business more than you realize.  I will prove it to you. But all hope is not lost.  I will show you how to get it back.


Last year, 18 years after I stepped out of my last official class in grad school, I decided to go back to school.  Well kind of.  I signed up for the CPCU designation.  This is an insurance designation that consists of 8 self study courses; followed up by an exam at an approved testing center.  It really is graduate level work.

How hard could it be?  I’ve been in the insurance industry all my professional career, and was always an excellent student.

I’ll never forget sitting down the first night to that large text book.  I opened up to Chapter 1, with highlighter and pen in hand.  I had a study guide nearby that guided me through the chapters with questions to reinforce the material.

I started reading, and my brain interrupted.  “Hey, I wonder what the weather will be tomorrow.” 

I pick up my phone, open the weather app, glance at the weather, then the weather of my hometown, then the weather of my in-laws, then the weather in Paris, then the weather in Ireland.

“Oh no, I have to start studying again!!”

Skim page 2.  Answer a question about insurance company financing.

“Hmm, financing, money, how much money did the most recent super-hero movie make?  What new movies are coming out this week? I bet YouTube has trailers.”

Pick up phone, go to YouTube, watch 15 minutes of movie trailers.

“What am I doing, I have to study!”

Page 3.

“Wonder what’s going on with my friends?”

Pick up phone, go to Facebook, thirty minutes later and I am in full self-flagellation mode.

“I can’t belief myself I can focus.”

Go to home computer, google “how to focus”

An hour later, I start yawning, realize it’s bedtime and kick myself for spending two hours studying but only getting 3 pages in.  Something had to change.

Why I think it happened?

You can probably guess.  I think it’s a combination of spending some much time trying to multi-task, and the pinging of our digital world.

Even writing this post, I got interrupted, but it set me down a path where I ended up back on my computer surfing the Starbucks website entering starcodes (long story).

Multi-tasking is a myth (even for women).

Psychologists and brain researchers have learned that humans can’t multi-task.1

It may feel like it but what you are really doing is switching your attention from one task to the next.  You are only doing it very quickly.   You are splitting your attention and giving neither task full focus.

For some tasks this may be fine, such as folding laundry and watching TV, but to most meaningful activities require much more concentration.  To really learn to excel at a task, full attention is required.

Digital devices have rewired the brain.

Especially social media.  Social media captures attention like a drug.  Sparks of information enter the brain, and before you have time to settle into boredom with an item, another sliver of tasty information appears.  It’s like a never-ending buffet for attention.  The visual stimulation plus the fear of missing out grabs your mind and holds on.  This isn’t hyperbole, even though it sounds like I’m describing the mind of an addict looking for his next fix.

Be attentive to the next time you pick up your phone when it pings you with a visual or auditory alert.  You don’t just look at the one item, you will search for more, and keep searching until something stops you.  You lose a sense of time.

Think about the times you’ve got caught in a loop of YouTube videos.  You watch one after another after another, then you look at your clock.  What seemed like 10-15 minutes may have been 30 minutes to an hour.

It’s almost like you can’t help yourself.

Former Facebook executive Sean Parker has recently said, “It literally changes your relationship with society, with each other. It probably interferes with productivity in weird ways. God only knows what it’s doing to our children’s brains,”2

On top of the brain candy aspect of digital media, there is the fear of missing out.  Believe it or not, this has been identified as such a problem, there is an actual acronymn for it–FOMO.  Sadly, there is a wikipedia page that describes this condition.

Researcher define it as  “a pervasive apprehension that others might be having rewarding experiences from which one is absent” 3

It’s not just other’s experiences that capture our minds, but information that if you knew it would change your life.  And if you don’t know it, your life may be poorer for it.

Why it matters in business?

1. Time Management

We only have so much attention to give each day.  It is easy to drift into meaningless activities that rob us from achieving our goals.  Your goal may be to set X appointments before the day is done, and you need energy and attention to complete that task.

2. Focus on Your Customer

If you are selling, you must focus deeply on the customer.  Your mind can’t wander when you are looking for ways to help and sell your product.  Focusing on the other person helps with memory, and will uncover needs they have for your product.

3. Problem Solving

You need time and attention and creativity for most business problems.  This could be crafting a product for your customer or creating a new marketing strategy.  It could be thinking through a presentation you need to deliver.  Or how to handle staffing and employee issues.

4. Brainstorming

You need to brainstorm to constantly improve, but it’s hard when you can’t focus.  There are times you need to carve out a slice of time just to think about your business.  What are your goals?  Where are you succeeding?  Where are you failing?  Working out these questions takes time and focus and mental energy that can’t be drained away by a distracting lifestyle.

What did I do to get it back?

First, I set my phone far away from me when I studied.  And when it had to be close because of expected calls, I turned it over and out of sight, so I couldn’t see any visual notifications.  The buzzer was off and only the ringer on for important calls.

Second, I went on a social media fast.  I fasted from Facebook for 30 days.  For the first couple days, it was painful, and made me realize I was addicted.  I can’t tell you how many times, I caught myself opening a tab on the browser beginning to type, f…a…c…, then I came to my senses and stopped.  Eventually it got easier and I forgot.  I really believe my brain changed, and attention started returning.

Third, I started working in concentrated blocks of time.  This began with studying, but then I used the method for regular work.  I would work for 20 mins, stop, walk around, go to the bathroom, get a drink then come back to the task at hand.  I wouldn’t let myself go longer than a 10 minute break, and I avoided surfing the web.

Fourth, I set daily goals.  These are big life changing goals, but small manageable tasks that will eventually help me hit those big items.  Write 500 words per day.  Create a list of prospect.  Craft a marketing email for a new promotion. Submit an expense report.  Nothing big, but bigger than my normal to-do lists.  The rule of thumb here are items that take longer than 15 minutes.  Those are the items that get lost in my attention.  I can crank through those quick two-minute email tasks all day long, but don’t ever accomplish any of the big stuff that will really make a difference long-term.

Attention and focus is a fight, and thinking of it in terms of a battle has changed my approach and added a little bit of success.

Business Blogging that Actually Gets You Business

Does your business have an active blog?

There are only two reasons to blog.  Create valuable content for your customers or attract more customers to your agency.

Let’s talk about attracting customers to your agency.  The way content attracts people to your agency site is primarily through SEO or Social Media marketing.

Here’s the bad news blogging about auto and home insurance info. It won’t help your SEO.  Trying to compete with Progressive and Geico online around the keywords “auto insurance” is difficult.

You can compete locally for terms like “auto” & “home” insurance and win, but you will need become an SEO expert or willing to spend money on someone to do it for you.  They exist, and surprisingly you can win this way.  The negative with SEO is that it is harder to target the demographics you want.  SEO on terms like auto and home cast a wide net having pull into fish you don’t want.  You’ll capture good customers, but there will be a lot you will throw back.

If you want to dominate your insurance market through SEO, there are topics that will help you win.

So what should you blog about that will attract attention to your business?

  1. Think Niche.  What are the items your agency has specialized in?  Boats, Motorcycles, Rental Property, Restaurants, Convenient Stores, Niche Manufacturers.  Think about the questions customers ask you.
  2. Think Local.  No matter what you write about.  Localize it.  Identify your geographic business area and include that in your content.  It might be the city you live in.  It might be the region you target for a commercial niche.

Here are some ideas:

1.Specialty Lines.  Granted you won’t make much money selling $200 cycle policies, but the customer traffic this segment can drive to your agency can be huge.  You won’t only sell a motorcycle policy, you will ask about home, auto, umbrella, etc.  Boats, Motorcycles, Classic Cars fit this niche.  Write about local clubs or festivals and share socially and you will get traffic.

2. Rental Property.  The average property investors think they know property insurance, but they don’t.  There are multiple ways they leave themselves exposed.  Think of all those conversations you’ve had with friends and relatives that have a rental property or two.  There is no way they are fully protected.  For many, property investment is their retirement, and they exposing that nest egg.  You can get very local here.  I guarantee there are parts of your city or region that are prime area for investors.  Identifying those areas and the potential risks are beneficial to all your customers.

3. Jewelry.  Save this for those special times of years, like Valentines and Christmas.  Most people don’t have enough coverage for their jewelry or other items. Partner up with a local jeweler and use them to help write the article.  The joint effort will help SEO if you link each other and both share socially.

4. Umbrellas.  No one understands this.  Talk about what it covers and why people need it.  Use humor, don’t get stuck in the insurance weeds.  Give people just enough info to understand it and need it.

5. Commercial Niches.  If one of these items has more potential than the other, this is it.  No one does this.  Try this: Google the handful of niches you insure or know a little about.  You will not find many articles out there helping those business understand their insurance needs.  If you do, they won’t be in your market.  No one does this.  Using this topic to write, creates more opportunity than just  SEO power for your site.  You can use this content with associations and trade organizations.

One agent I work with reached out to an association in a niche she writes business.  She asked if they ever needed content for their own site or newsletter.  They said yes.  She wrote a couple articles about insurance and their business.  The association published it and not only linked back to the agent’s site, but provided their phone number and email.  Instant authority.  Instant credibility.  Instant leads

So how do you do this?

Think of all the questions customers ask you in these niches.  Think about all the gaps you’ve surprised people in discovering.  Those are your topics.  

Create articles around these topics using keywords you research through Google Keyword Tool.  Look for the ways customers search on their topics and the way they ask questions.  Those phrases need to be part of your titles and peppered inside your writing.  

If you need content, your companies probably have a handful of articles they don’t mind you taking and editing.

Warning.  You will sit down to write, especially if you are new and you will doubt.   You will see yourself as an imposter.  You are.  But don’t worry about it.  You know more than your clients.  In fact, you know a lot.  If all you’ve done in this business is taken your insurance class and exam, you know more than 90% of the world about insurance.  You don’t have to be an expert, just be helpful.

Think like a customer and what will help them in their life and business.  Use that info to generate localized content.  Make it shareable, and you will start seeing more opportunities to spread your agency’s message to your market.

Be Productive,

Theron Mathis

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Should You Use Internet Sales Leads?

Internet Leads are a valuable tool for Personal Lines Growth, but not for everyone.    Read on and learn why you should consider adding them to your marketing toolkit.

What are Internet Leads?

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By Internet leads, I mean purchased leads, not leads generated by your online marketing, whether that be through SEO, Email Marketing, Social Media, etc.

There are several companies in the market that sell Internet leads.  NetQuote is the granddaddy of them all, but over time more and more competitors have entered the field of play.

Here’s how they work.  A customer clicks on a link for a quote.  Rarely, are these quoting engines but information gathering tools.  In a sense they are click-bait, gathering data that can be distributed to multiple companies and other lead aggregators.  Those leads are then sold back out to agents and companies.

To get a sense of how they work and what kind of information they collect, you should run an experiment and try it yourself.

I did.

After seeing a ridiculous amount of commercials for the General, Mr. Shaquille Oneal convinced me to go online and get a quote with them.  I was pretty sure the General did not write in my state, so I wanted to see what would happen.

I entered all my information, and was told they couldn’t quote me.  They mentioned they had other companies who could give me a rate.  I accepted, and within minutes, I got an email from an Insurance company providing a quote.  Then within 30 minutes, I received a phone call from an agent trying to sell me a policy.  I was honest with the agent and explained what I was doing.  We talked a couple minutes about his business, and I wished him luck.

Over the next couple months, I received multiple emails and a couple more phone calls from other agents and companies soliciting my business.

Who should use them?

Buying Internet Leads are not for everyone.  However, if you’ve never used them, it might be worth a 30 day experiment.  Make sure you have the capacity to handle the activity they could generate.

If you are a new agency, without good lead flow, they a great tool to add to your marketing.  If you have new producers in your agency, and you are trying to generate activity for them, they work.  My experience with agencies that have been successful with them is that they are temporary.  Some use them to kickstart production and activity, and others use them seasonally.  When other marketing efforts are not bringing opportunities, they can prime the sales pump.  They are also good for sales training.  It’s easy to use them to help a new producer learn to communicate and sell over the phone.  Also it helps them create followup systems for future sales.

8 Tips For Using Internet Leads

1. Don’t be cheap.  Be willing to spend as much money as your budget allows.  Lead quality is in direct proportion to how much you spend.  Cheap leads are usually dead or poor quality customers.  The quickest way to find out how much to spend is to determine how much a customer is worth to you.  This will give you your maximum amount you want to spend on the lead.  For example, let’s say a customer is worth $100 to you.  Assume you will close 10% of the leads coming into the agency.  The max amount you would spend would be $10 per lead.

2. Target Leads.  Choose your demographic as specific as possible.  Most companies allow you multiple options for demographic choice, such as zip, age, income, etc.  It all depends on your market and what you are looking for.  The agent I know that uses them best will only buy home leads.  His theory is that if they have a home they have a car, and he plans on cross-selling.  This way he is paying for one lead but gets two.

3. Make someone responsible.  Someone in the agency needs to own the leads.  If not, they fall through the cracks.  They get ignored, and not pursued with enthusiasm.  Also if you have one person managing and responding to the leads it becomes much easier to track results.

4. Respond Quickly.  If there is a golden rule to internet leads, this is it.  You must respond quickly, instantaneously, lightning fast, no hesitation, drop everything else.  If you can’t do it, don’t buy them.  Remember, you aren’t the only one getting the leads.  Multiple agents and company call centers are getting the leads.  The most responsive wins over the most competitive.  If you get in first you have a huge advantage.  If you wait too long, the customer could have purchased or become disinterested.  These leads could come at anytime including evenings and weekends.  You must respond.

5. Sell It.  When you call you are not just selling your rate, you are selling yourself.  If you are an independent agent, there is a good chance one of your carriers is more competitive than the price the customer has today.  The fact they are shopping is a good indication that something is wrong.  The advantage the captive writer has is the ability quote the person on the phone and give them a rate on the spot.  Only having one company makes this easy.

With comparative raters, an independent can do this as well.  You may not be 100% accurate, but no one is in the beginning.  Don’t worry about it, do your best.  There are reports to be ran and more questions to ask.  The goal here is to sell your agency.

Again you are not the only call they are going to get.  Use this to your advantage, especially if you responded quickly and are the first to quote.

Somewhere in your call with the customer use a script like this:

“When you entered your info online, it got sent to multiple agents that will probably starting calling you, so be prepared.  Here’s what I can do for you.  I will do the shopping for you and quote you through X number of companies.  When they call, let them know you already had someone do the work for you.”

I learned this from an agent friend. This tactic immediately increased his close rate.

6. Create Loyalty.  Congrats!  You converted the lead to a customer.  Warning! Internet customers typically are a greater danger for leaving you at renewal.  You didn’t get them through a relationship.  They may not want one.  You are a just a transaction for them.  You have to change that.  These are customers you need to touch a lot during their first renewal.  Send thank you notes, birthday cards, holiday cards, etc.  Make sure they are getting emails from regularly that first year.  Make them feel a part of your agency family.  No matter how you do it, whether through calls, mail, email, social media, etc; make sure to touch them multiple times that first year.

7. Follow-Up.  You didn’t sell it, but don’t let the lead die.  Two things have probably happened.  You didn’t reach the customer or didn’t sell it.

Call them 7 times before you give up.  Send an email or postcard if you never made contact.  If you have their xdate, put them in your followup system to contact before their next renewal.

If you didn’t convert them, do the same.  Put them in your followup, and don’t give up until they buy or tell you to leave them alone.

8. Track Results.  Like your other marketing activities, you must track it.  This is the only way you will know if you are getting your money’s worth.  Are you making more than you are spending?  Are you losing money on them?  Are you breaking even?  Do you have one salesperson doing better with them than another?  Does one vendor have better quality leads than another?  It’s tedious, but you will be much more effective with your marketing time and dollars.

If you’ve used internet leads before, what’s your experience?

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8 Ways to Market to Realtors & Lenders

Marketing for personal lines has become increasingly harder over the years.

Customers squashed telemarketing sales.  Fewer people have land lines, so it is harder to find a person’s number.  Many go unlisted, and this makes them hidden.  Many people will just not answer the phone if they don’t recognize the number.

Door to door is really not cost effective because of the return on investment.

Direct-mail still works, but you need to a lot of it, as well as time and money to get your copy just right.

Email marketing is amazing, but for it to work without becoming a spammer, you have to capture emails from current customers, prospects, and potential lead sources.

One method that has a low barrier to entry, but can generate almost instant returns is marketing to lenders and realtors.

When a customer buys a home, he is more likely to allow his insurance to be shopped.  To find and interact with those customers, you have to get to those involved in the transaction.

Realtors and lenders are the perfect people to insert you into that transaction.

This is not a secret anymore.  I would bet these businesses sees more insurance agents today than they did 10 years ago.

It’s not impossible to stand out among this lead-source, but it takes a little more thought and strategy than it used to.

1. Think like a glass rep.  Every week your agency gets 1 or more glass reps soliciting business from you.  I am sure there are a couple of these vendors that you really use, and encourage your customers to use.  But why?  Why are there some vendors that you use and others you don’t?  Think through this question.  It will help you develop a strategy to improve your own marketing with realtors and lenders. The good ones are consistent marketers.  Someone in your office needs to be that person.   Print out a 5 mile radius map of your agency and all the realtor and lending offices within that scope.  List them out, then make a plan to consistently visit these offices.

For example, maybe you can only spare one day a week to this type of marketing.  Grab you list, start from the top, and start visiting.  See as many as possible in the time you allotted yourself.  Check each off, and make notes.  Next week pick up where you left off and do the same.  Eventually you will get to the bottom of your list.  Maybe it will take you a month or two, but once you reach the bottom start over.

Being a consistent face and voice in their business will help you understand them, and allow them to be comfortable with you.  I guarantee that many of your competitors make one or two visits, then quit, when no business starts flowing.

2.  Leave- Behinds.  These don’t have to be complicated, but are markers of visit.  They are footprints and clues you were there.  It can be as simple as a business card.  The only problem with cards is that they are easily thrown away.  Notepads are great because they get used, and if they are sticky get posted around an office.  Pens tend to hang around as well.  Food and candy jars are always appreciated.  If it’s your first visit, take their card and then email them a followup note after you get back in the office.

3.  Ask for business.  Of course you are going to do this.  But most people ask for it in the future: “When you have something you are trying to close, please give us a shot at quoting it.”  Add the present.  “When you have something, we’d be happy to quote it for you.  Are you working on something now I can look at for you?  Is there something I can take back to the office, and get you an answer today?”  I worked at an agency where we did a lot of this type of marketing, and when we started asking for something now and not in the future, we often walked out with quotes in hand.  Sometimes all you need is a chance to generate future streams of business.

4.  Find the right person.  Knowing the decision maker is one of the keys to sales.  It is no different here.  Someone in the office you are visiting has enormous influence, and can usher you into that position of influence as well.  The secret is knowing them.  This can be difficult to discern on a first visit.  Once you figure it out, begin a relationship of trust.  This will allow you to create a mutually beneficial partnership going forward.

5.  Be a sponsor.  Lenders and Realtors are sales organizations.  They do regular sales meetings, sometimes weekly, monthly, quarterly, etc.  Ask to sponsor their meetings with food or giveaways.  Most will let you speak for 5 to 10 minutes if you are bringing something to the meeting.  This is something most insurance companies will comp for you as well.

6.  Find a need and meet it.  This one takes time, and you will rarely discover on the first visit.  You need to build trust and find the right people to talk with.  But every organizations has needs.  These are the gaps and struggles inside their business.  It could be anything from sales training, access to information, marketing relationships, etc.  Over time look for these needs and get creative on how to help them.  One agency I know found a smaller realty office that was trying to grow.  Their marketing wasn’t great, but they were trying hard.  The agent partnered with them for a trade show, splitting time and booth cost.  You can bet the agency got the majority of their leads.

7. Pay for it.  Agents are scared to do this, but every day they pay for radio spots, direct mail, yellow page ads, internet leads, telemarketing leads, xdate sheets, etc.  It’s the same thing.  The only thing you need to worry about is not making the payments contingent upon selling the business.  Most if not all Departments of Insurance outlaw this.

I’ve seen two effective ways agents have done this successfully.  First they pay a dollar amount per lead.  You have to run some ROI calculations to determine your maximum spend; based on close rates, average revenue, average retention, etc.  Also it needs to be attractive enough to make a difference as well.  This works.  The other is to do contests.  Within an office, give a gift card of a substantial amount to the realtor or loan officer that sends the most leads in a month.

Make sure you stress they need to be a qualified lead.  You don’t want to get a name and number, call the customer, and have them act surprised at your attempt to quote their business.  I know some agencies require a list of information to make the quote valid.

8.  Lunch & Learns.  This strategy is highly effective at getting you in front of groups.  Realtors and Lenders give misinformation about insurance to consumers all the time.  Be an expert and give them information they can use with their customers regarding insurance for their property.  You are not trying to make them an expert, but it empower them with a couple accurate talking points.   Plus if you are providing lunch, most people will give you the courtesy to listen for a while.

Before you reinvent the wheel, grab a company person’s wallet and their powerpoint library. This is an easy spend for most company folks.  They may even throw in gift cards for a drawing.  Also, they might have presentation already created about property insurance.  This saves you some time.  Gather the business cards of everyone there, and send them a followup note, if you really want to impress.

If you networked with other agents for any length of time, this strategy is one frequently mentioned as a personal lines growth driver.  It may feel like everyone is doing it, but I promise few are doing it well.  Schedule your marketing, be consistent, ask for opportunities, and repeat.

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Customers You Don’t Want

One of the hallmarks of marketing is developing a profile of an ideal customer.

You pick the customer or niche that fits your business model, and then you keep that niche in mind when you craft any marketing strategy or customer facing material.  This helps immensely when brainstorming new lead sources or marketing ideas.  An image of the ideal customer informs how you design your website, business cards, trade-shows, brochures, etc.  When you understand this person fully, and take action on that information, you become a better marketer than your competitors.

This became clear on school field trip.  I chaperoned a trip to a radio station.  This was a radio conglomerate with multiple brands and channels stuffed inside their building.  Each channel had their own booth and office.  One was talk radio, another country, today’s hits, classic rock, etc.  In each booth, printed in large letters on the wall was a list of characteristics of their target demographic.

DJ’s, salespeople, and decision makers could not avoid this sheet when performing their daily actions.

Agencies have this list as well.  Most don’t have it posted, but the owner knows it, and sometimes the staff.  It’s a great idea to get this out of your head and distribute it throughout your organization.

While knowing your ideal customer is critical, what might be equally important is understanding the “Customer You Don’t Want”.

bad customers
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What does that person look like, and what do you do to avoid them?

Here some identifiers to help brainstorm this person:

  • Time-wasters. Write down the qualities of a customer that is a time waster. He never offers any opportunity for revenue activity, but demands attention more than normal.
  • Late-payer.  You chase him each month to give you money to keep their policy in force.
  • Frequent claimant.  They call in a claim too regularly, or are always asking “what-if” claims questions.  Alarm bells ring in your head, suspicious of their potential next move.
  • Billing questioner.  They pay their bills on time, but have questions every month related to the accounting breakdown of their bill.
  • Endorsement happy.  Every month they are doing something different to their policy; new cars, new drivers, change in coverage, etc.
  • Grumpy & Angry.  This one ruins the mood of every person in your office.  Every interaction is negative, and you can’t believe they stick around.
  • Bad Demographics.  Not red-lining, but identifying areas outside your scope of business.  if someone contacts you about their homeowners and they live in another hundreds of miles away they might not be the best customers.  Million dollar homes are attractive to write, but you might not have the markets for this and trying to fit a square peg in a round hole could generate more work than it’s worth.

There is no doubt that a few of these customers are part of being an insurance agent.   Some even have very good reasons to retain as clients.

By identifying them, they give you an opportunity to minimize their influence inside the agency.

If you are an owner, I bet you have a blacklist.  Does your staff know it?  What do you do in your agency to minimize the bad customer?

How A Local Business Taught Me How To Engage Customers Online

Local businesses have groaned for years under the weight of national giants.  Small retailers curse the big box store when it moves down the street.  Bookstores rail against the online stores.  Insurance agents complain about the budgets of the direct companies with lizard mascots and mega marketing.

How can we compete?  Social media, content marketing, and email strategies equalize the playing field, and even give us little guys an advantage.

Local businesses don’t need national attention.  They only need the obsessive attention of their local market, and these new tools allow such attention because it can magnify the engagement a local business already garners from their small base of customers.

Don’t believe me?

Here’s a story of a local business that is dying and being swamped by national corporations.  Yet, one employee, Adam, decided to quit complaining about the big boys and get creative.  He used these new tools to create demand for his product making it unique and specific to his audience.

Adam is was local sportscaster, and he chronicled his experiment on his own blog including a video of the broadcast which evolved from creative engagement with his customers.

Listen to his insights.

First, he recognizes the realities of his business:  “The local sportscast is dying. The emergence of all-sports channels and catered fan websites has rendered this medium mundane. No opinions, not enough time to delve into details and a complete lack of resources.”

Second, he finds a solution: “So, other than expecting people to turn on their TV at a designated time because they always have…how does the local sportscast attract an audience? Engage them.”

Third, he applies it to his problem: “Last night I tweeted out that I’m starting something called #Sportscast. This week’s theme: Old School Wrestlers. I simply asked for people to tweet me the names of former wrestlers and I’d try to fit them into my sportscast.  Nearly 50 responses later, I had a pool of possibilities. The result is the video…”

Ok, I know we are not in a business as exciting as sportscasting, so you are probably thinking, “Great idea, but how does this apply to me.”

Ask yourself questions?

Who is my audience (or customers)?

What can I do for them that big boys can’t?

What do I uniquely know about them?

Brainstorm with me.

I live in Louisville, KY, and every year we have a big event that you may have heard of—the Kentucky Derby.

Think through questions that people might have about Insurance related to this specific local event that the big boys won’t answer.

  • Do I have coverage to rent my house for Derby week?  (this happens a lot)
  • What if I have a Derby party with lots of mint juleps, should I worry about liability coverage
  • If I am at the track, and someone steals my winning ticket, am I covered?
  • What if someone breaks a car window at the track or steals my ipod out of the car?  Should I pay out of pocket or turn in a claim?
  • What if my business sponsors an event at the track and someone gets hurt, who is liable?

These questions could easily turn into newsletter content, blog posts, tweets, etc., and they are uniquely you.

Or you could get plain silly with social media, and post pictures of agency owners in crazy Derby hats.

At your next agency meeting, think through who your customer is and what are their likes and dislikes.  Find ways to ask and engage them, and create content that demands their attention because it answers their questions and fills a need in their world

(this post originally appeared on the Grow website)

7 Tricks to Create Unlimited Content

Agent Jack has been looking for ways to increase market share and reach people beyond his traditional advertising and networking. Recently he stumbled onto the concept of Content Marketing.

He got it!

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Last week he needed help with a plumbing task and googled “how do I stop my toilet from running”.  Google sent him to a Youtube video where a local plumber was walking him through the process of fixing his toilet.  A week later an outside spigot froze up and he knew it was beyond his abilities, but remembered the guy on the video that had helped him.  He picked up the phone and called Mr Youtube Plumber.  By the next day all was working again, and Agent Jack had a plumber for life.

He has seen content marketing at work, and wants to use in his agency.

He contacts his tech guy and makes sure that he is able to generate “blog” content through his current website.  Within days everything is setup and Jack is ready to start writing.  He blocks off time in his schedule, closes the door, and puts his phone on “do not disturb”.  His wordprocessor launches and suddenly a blank screen begins mocking him.  His mind full of ideas begins to mirror the screen in front of him, and everything disappears.

An hour later, he manages to type a paragraph or two, but nothing that will satisfy this content machine he is trying to launch.

How will he ever feed this content monster that he just created?

Brainstorming–but not how you think.

Here are 7 ways to use brainstorming to create unlimited content:

1.  Do It Alone.  When you hear brainstorming, you probably imagine yourself trapped in a room with friends or worse–strangers.  A white board is staring at your face.  A grumpy facilitor with a red marker in hand is waiting for brilliant ideas to jump out at him so he can paint the board with ideas.  Nothing happens.  Crickets are chirpiring.  Finally one brave soul chimes in and the crowd groans.  Eventually momentum builds, but at the end of the session you wonder if anything creative really happened.

Guess what, science has proved your intuition correct.

Keith Sawyer, a psychologist at Washington University, summarizes the science: “Decades of research have consistently shown that brainstorming groups think of far fewer ideas than the same number of people who work alone.”  

Brainstorming works, but not like conventional wisdom has schooled us.  Do it alone.

2.  Use Your People.  This sounds like I am totally backtracking on what I just said.  I didn’t say brainstorm with people.  I said use your people.  Make them do it alone as well.  Give them cues and questions to help spur thought, and ask them to spend twenty minutes one morning cranking out as many ideas as possible for potential posts.

The quote above from our eminent scientist had a portion deleted from the end of the sentence.  Here it is:

“brainstorming groups think of far fewer ideas than the same number of people who work alone and later pool their ideas.”

Here’s the key.  Let everyone brainstorm alone, but then bring your talent together to share their ideas.  This will create robust lists of content and spur more thinking and further ideas.  The reason this works is that the shy ones in the group are not bullied into silence by the more aggressive personality.  All people generate ideas, and come to the table on some equal footing.

3.  Give Rules.  I have hinted at this, but here are the rules that I am suggesting.  Ask yourself questions, but whatever you do don’t censor yourself.  Write or type as fast as you can so your internal editor can’t grab your hand and stop you.  Don’t worry if stupid or silly ideas start flowing from your pen.  Don’t stop from chasing those rabbits and any weird thought that might come out of your head.  You never know that it might spark something equally creative down the trail.

If you stop coming up with ideas, just keep writing.  Start writing “I can’t think of anymore ideas, help, help, help.”  Start repeating what you previously wrote but do it fast.  I promise ideas will come.  Give yourself a timer and one that ticks and the pressure will make things happen.  This forces you to make things happen.  Also have a list of topics or questions to help spur activity.  The best rule is to do it fast, avoid censoring yourself, and editing what you say.

4.  Use Your Customers.  Questions are a way to use your customers.  Have everyone think through the most recent and most common questions they get from customers and friends about insurance.

Think by product & niches: auto, home, umbrella, bops, etc.  This is how you search in Google.  You type in a questions you want solved.

This method won’t just give you great content ideas, but will provide you with the title for your posts.  For example:  “Should I get the insurance waiver from my rental car company?”  “Why do I need flood if I don’t live near water?”  “Why does credit affect my insurance price?”  “Why is my neighbor’s insurance cheaper than mine when we have similar cars?”

This is almost limitless.  Have staff begin recording all the questions, so you can begin answering in posts.

5.  Solve Misunderstanding.  Misunderstanding are really a subset of questions, but phrased slightly different. This difference can be incredibly effective.  It allows you to pick up a topic, spin it, and come at a different angle.

What are the most common misunderstandings about insurance?  Think claim time.  This is where what someone thought might happen begins to differ from reality.  You can really shine here, because some of their misunderstanding may have come from your competitor.  This sets you as an expert in your field, and you can address not only customers, but your referral sources such as realtors and lenders.

6.  Things You Wish Customers Knew.  Here is another category that is full of possibilities.

What do you wish your customers knew about insurance before they bought?  What do you wish they knew before they turned in a claim?  What do you wish they knew that affect their insurance rate?

The other avenue to think of here is not merely your business of insurance, but you can talk about agency history, the unique background of employees and owners.

You can talk about what you wish people knew about their community.  These kinds of posts bring personality and a level of humanity to your business so you don’t always look like you are pushing insurance down everyone’s throats.

7.  Best Ofs.  I stole this one directly from the mind of Marcus Sheridan.  If you don’t follow his Sales Lion blog, you need to.

“Best ofs” are not necessarily insurance specific.  Think about the things you and the people in your agency like about your city.  What are the best restaurants in town?  How about the best body shops, or electricians, or plumbers?  This could be a time you pump up the businesses of your customers.  You could write about the best vehicles for safety.  Write on the best pieces of equipment to stop leaks in your pipes.

Once you start on the “best ofs” you will find tons of content.

8.  Use The Calendar.  Grab a calendar and begin thinking about what happens in January in our country, state or city then I write about it.  How about driving in ice or snow?  How to winterize?

What happens in February?  A lot of jewelry is purchased.  Write about how to cover expensive or non-expensive jewelry.

March?  Talk about March Madness basketball.  Go through every month, and I bet you can come up with calendar content with very little prompting.

Agent Jack finished this list of 7 and feels relief.  The monster of content creation has been tamed, now that he has lists of potential posts to write.  It may be years before the monster raises his ugly head looking to be fed.

The task of content creation can be overwhelming, but don’t let blank screens and whiteboards overwhelm you.  Begin with a couple ideas and start creating topics and titles.  You will be surprised how fast and easy the ideas come.

Lack of content will never be your excuse in your marketing journey.

If you create content today, what do you do to keep the pump primed and the ideas flowing?

(this originally appeared on the Grow website)

Why Insurance Agents Should Embrace Social Media and 5 Quick Steps to Start

Ok, you are scared, and not sure of this digital unknown. You don’t know what to do. You think it’s over your head. You are afraid it will waste your time.


Photo credit: ~Aphrodite via / CC BY-NC-NDBut, your leads are slowing down, your customer base is getting older, and you are tired of fighting the marketing budgets of the Insurance giants.

Enter Social Media.

Taking your business online may feel like walking into some unknown mystical cyber-world where sales and marketing magically happen, if you know how to push the right buttons.

Taking your business online may feel like walking into some unknown mystical cyber-world where sales and marketing magically happen, if you know how to push the right buttons.

Let me de-mystify the process for you.

Today, you tell me your business comes from referrals. I believe you. You’ve spent your career networking.

You joined the Chamber of Commerce, Rotary, Jaycees. You coached baseball, basketball, soccer. You developed relationships with home-builders, mortgage brokers, realtors.

People know you and love you. That’s why you are in sales.

You gave of yourself. You created value for people. You engaged with them. They learned to trust you.

Think about this question.

How many people could you connect with at a Rotary meeting? The baseball diamond? The Chamber? The soccer field? 10, 20, maybe 30. How much time did that take? One hour. Maybe two.

Get mathematical and put this into a formula.

Networking Connections = 20 people x 1 Hour

So if do one event every work day, you would have:

20 people x 5 hours = 100 Networking Connections

Digital Marketing is nothing more than Networking online, and you already have the skill-set. People like you and trust you, because you know how to engage with people.

The digital space just magnifies it.

Rather than being able to network with 20 per hour. You can potentially engage with hundreds and maybe even thousands per hour.

Plug in the numbers with the same networking time commitment as before.

500 contacts x 5 hours = 2500 Networking Connections

How do you start?

Find a committed person in your agency (this could be you). Age doesn’t matter here. Commitment and willingness is the key. If they are already connected online, they make a great candidate. Look around and see who has a smart phone. Find someone who knows how to network physically; it is the same skill-set.

Pick a Social Network. It doesn’t really matter which one: Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, LinkedIn are all great choices.

Find models. You are not alone. There are already agents, agencies, and other small businesses networking successful online. Find them. Connect with them. Model what they do. This will give you a giant leap forward because you will learn from their successes and failures.

Find your customers, niches, and potential niches. Once who are online with a Network, begin building your connections by finding your current customers. Each network provides tools to do this. Then look for niches. If you already do a lot of construction business. Look for associations and prospects in those niches and reach out to them. Look for lead sources, for example in Personal Lines, you currently get a lot of leads for realtors and mortgage people. Find them and connect.

Engage & Be Useful. Once who find your people begin engaging with them. Notice what they are talking about and join the conversation. Share content that useful to your customers. Be a resource.

There are tools that can you automate and become more effective with the five steps above, but when first jumping into the social media pool don’t overcomplicate it with shiny gear, just learn to swim.

You can do this, and it will help you dominate your own local market even in the face of marketing giants.

Be Productive,


this was originally posted on the Grow Program site


Tales of An Insurance Startup

Have you ever thought of starting a scratch insurance agency? Maybe you are on the edge of doing something, but fearful of taking the leap. Maybe you are an established agency, but could be invigorated by new ideas.

Here’s the story of someone who did it.

Matthew Carroll, began working in the insurance industry 6 years ago as a producer inside an Independent Agency. During that time, he learned a lot about lead generation and structuring follow ups for sales success. After a couple years, a State Farm agency reached out to him to become a producer inside an agency. He jumped at the chance, because it came with the hope of actually owning his own agency one day.

His tenure there was successful, but did not lead him to ownership as quickly as he imagined. So after 3 years of grinding away at production, Matthew took the leap and opened his own shop.

Granted this was no overnight leap in the dark. In fact, we spoke at least 6months before he pulled the trigger. He gathered all the necessary information he needed to make good decisions. He put together one of the best business plans that I had ever seen. Production targets were in place, as well as the marketing activities needed to get there. Then in Jan of 2017, he launched Kentucky Bred Insurance.

Matt came storming out of the gate, and was writing business and following his marketing plan from day one.

After 9 months, his growth has been steady and impressive. However, like any venture it has not been perfect and there have been a couple bumps along the way.

Recently, I sat down with him, and asked him about his first 9 months. Here’s what Matt has learned.

What things about starting and running the agency have been harder than you expected?

MC: The tension between looking at my goals to stay motivated, and remembering to do the day to day activities that will hit the goal. As things get hard, I have to look at the end goal to keep going, but it is really easy for me to fall into daydreaming about success, and forgetting to make my sales calls and marketing contacts. Yet, if I didn’t have those dreams the daily activities would grind on me.

Related to this is sticking to the activities I had set up in my business plan. There are times when the busy working of the agency takes over, and I don’t make time for the activities that will keep my pipeline full of leads.

Also, riding the wave of work/life balance. I’ve gone overboard in both directions.

Knowing where to spend marketing dollars had been really hard. Running quick calculations for return on investment isn’t difficult, but many of the activities I might do won’t have immediate returns. So how do I calculate for that? For example, say I run multiple Facebook ads, and I drives leads to me. That’s easy to calculate, but then 3-6 months later, a couple more leads trickle in from the campaign. I don’t mind spending money on activities that generate business, but because of the slow-acting nature of some marketing, it is really hard to make those decisions.

As I think about the future, and I realize that I need to start making hires. Planning for this has been harder than expected. Knowing which activities, I need someone to do, plus find them is becoming a challenge as I start looking.

What was much easier than you expected?

MC: Generating referrals has been much easier. In my other jobs as a producer, I would talk with family and friends and some would give me a shot at their business, but most wouldn’t. I don’t know what flipped when I started my own business, but I am getting more “yes’s” when I ask. Also I have had more people I know reach out to me to help them. I am not sure if it because they know I am the owner, and this isn’t some short-term job. Maybe my approach has changed because I have more confidence and urgency to sell as an owner.

A big surprise has been the amount of support I have gotten from other independent agents. There are several across the country that I talk with regularly, and they have been incredibly encouraging as well as very open about strategies and tactics inside the agency. My previous experience as a producer inside an agency was that everyone kept things close to the vest, and afraid of giving away their trade secrets.

What would you have done different?

MC: I would have been more aggressive at developing more and deeper relationships with influencers that are sources of business. At this point, I am doing more of that, but I relied so much on the low-hanging fruit of friends and family in the beginning, I didn’t work as hard on getting those lead sources in place.

What didn’t you know that you wish you had?

MC: I had no idea about the power of social media, especially Facebook, and its ability to generate business. Also how important content creation to drive business has surprised me. I am working on changing that and looking to outsource some of those activities.

Last question, what do you wish your companies would have done for you early on?

MC: In the captive world, companies do a much better job launching an agency. In my State Farm experience, there is a lot of marketing money given up front. Sometimes up to 50k, with other dollars trickling in to do marketing. Anything from a marketing side would have been nice. It could have been tents or banners for networking events, or even small amounts to help with lead generation.

Overall, I am happy about my decision, but not there is still a lot to do because I start realizing those daydreams.

Thanks, Matt!  To contact Matt go to his agency site, FB page, or LinkedIn account.

If you’ve done an insurance startup, do you have any advice for Matt? Leave your comments below: